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Current issue : #64 | Release date : 27/05/2007 | Editor : The Circle of Lost Hackers
Title : Hacking your brain: The projection of consciousness
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Dead Underground, for this new Phrack issue, The Circle of Lost
Hackers has decided to start one more new section entitled "Hacking
you brain". We already hear you: "what the hell this subject is in
relation with computer hacking???". Well, as we already mentioned in
other articles, for us hacking is not only computer hacking but
it's much more.
The following article, as you will understand, talks about out of body
experiences. By publishing this article in a magazine like phrack, we
know that it will bring scepticism. The author, in this article, claims
that such out of body experiences are possible. One of the main rule
of the underground is to not be blind and trust everything simply because
an authority claims it, to try everthing by yourself with criticism
and a totally open mind spirit. It's why, for us, the unreasoning
credulity is something more blameworthy than a presumptuous and septic
guy who reject facts without examinating if they are real.
Even if an out of body experience is interesting, what is more interesting
is the new implication that it leads up. It's unrecognized by the current
Science even if it's known for ages. If the following information are
true - what we affirm - then it's revolutionary. Be able to live out of
your body means that the dead is no the end but only one step that we all
have to pass over.
All these reasons make us think that publishing an article like that in
Phrack is a good idea. Because before being a computer hacking magazine,
phrack is dedicated to spread the occult knowledge, unrecognized and
subversive.
We let you discover - and experiment - by yourselves this fantastic
phenomenon that are lucid dreams and out of body projections so that
you can make up your own opinion.
Have a good read.
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The projection of consciousness
by keptune
Since the Ancient times, as far as we know, humankind has been animated by
the most impressive curiosity for almost everything, especially for this
strange thing that is the Mind : something concrete although impalpable to
the subject, yet invisible to the world. Some of the oldest carvings and
paintings that have been discovered in Africa are full of dream visions
and abstract symbols, most likely depicting chamanic inner travels.
However, it appears that the .power. to investigate how the mind works and
to retrieve pieces of information on the consciousness and its mecanisms
has been monopolized early in History by a few ones. Call them chamans,
sorcerers, wisemen, etc., they have gained a social position through the
ages by grabing the exclusive rights of these investigations. Which might
has been wise at first, as the initiations to these practices were mostly
done from master to disciple in order to keep the teaching intact. But
indirectly, it has led the majority to be ignorant of these subjects,
almost fearful about the workings of the consciousness and what could
modify it. When the time came for the brand new .modern science. to
study the Mind, during the XIXth century, some would have thought that
everything was about to change. But in place it was only the continuity
of the past traditions, although by fathering new ones: psychologists,
psychiatrists, neurologists. Nowadays, if you do not have at least a
master degree in one of these subject, you are simply considered ignorant
by the scientists about the mind. That.s right, your . own . mind, your
consciousness. You are just not .authorized. to talk about it, or mocked
at if you try, like a child who would try to build a skyrocket . cute,
but impossible. It is no more than another form of monopoly, to control
the main dogma of materialism in our society. It is like saying that
you are not intelligent enough to think about it, so just do not try,
serious people are doing it for you and will tell you what to think and
how to apprehend your own life. Meanwhile, just work, consume and enjoy.
But guess what: these people, most likely unconsciously as they are being
.manipulate. too by the main dogma, just want to make you think that
you canno.t know anything about the mind, your . own . consciousness,
without them. And you would be a fool to try in spite of this all-powerful
fact. Which is just wrong. Seriously. In fact, you are the one who
is all-powerful about his own consciousness. But you must use it, and
bring it to unknown territories in order to understand it by yourself,
which is the only way. Some might be thinking at this point: my mind
is what it is, what is he talking about? Sometimes I am sad, or joyful,
but my mind stays the same beneath that. Well, wrong. You just did
not try to change it, to push it to it.s extreme. I am talking about
something with the same subjective difference than the physical reality
and a dream. Think Matrix, less the glasses, the robots and the giant
killing computer. I am talking about a skill that anyone can develop:
projection of consciousness, one of the most amazing faculty of the mind.
What is projection of consciousness? Have you ever lucid dream? I mean,
dreaming and knowing that you are dreaming? Realizing that the world
around you is just an illusion created by your mind and you did not
notice it at first? That is a type of projection of consciousness, the
lowest one in fact. You are projecting your mind out of the feeling
of your physical body, into another reality. Dreaming is a type of
projection of consciousness, although non-lucid one are the lowests from
the lowest, not very interesting for the real mind raiders. But it.s
a good bridge to do some more serious projection activities. At this
point of the article, I know that some are already thinking: whatever,
dreams are not real. WRONG. That is a typical shortcut from the dominant
materialistic, so-called .scientific., dogma, which considers that all
that is not palpable is not real. Then your mind as a unity of perception
and consciousness is not real, because guess what, even the best EEG
canno.t find where the mind sets in the brain (if it is in the brain at
all). All they do is record electrical signals here and there. For your
mind, the dream is as solid and real as physical reality. That is why
you wake up sweating from a nightmare, with you heartbeat at 200, and
still all frightened during a few minutes. Or at the opposite, you wake
up with a feeling of completeness after a really amazing and beautiful
dream. Right? A dream is impalpable, but it is real nonetheless for the
observer, you. And now think about this: about one sixth of your life is
made of dreams. Almost an entire seperate life, which most people just
disregard as unreal (=impalpable) and therefore uninteresting. That is
just sad, when you know all the amazing possibilities of the mind, which
can . and will . really transform your life by bringing your attention
to a whole new dimension. Something noboby has ever talked to you about
I guess. Something that is still mostly undiscovered, where you are a
real pionnier.
If you have never even lucid dream, you are situated right now at the
first floor of a skyscrapper, ignoring that there is an elevator just
behind you that could bring you in no time to a flabbergasting landscape
and a whole new perspective. Seriously. You canno.t know what your
mind, your consciousness, is made of unless you accept to explore it by
yourself. The modern scientific method tends to analyze from an outside
point of view, which just canno.t led to a full understanding. It would
be like trying to understand how you watch works without opening it up
at one time or another.
I guess many are thinking right now about shrooms, pot and crack, salvia
divinorum, entheogens, hallucinations etc. That.s on the exact opposite of
what I am about to explain. You do not need anything more than yourself
(and hopefully your mind too) to project in full consciousness. Plants
have been used a lot by chamans to attain different levels of perception,
but nowadays it is very unlikely that you know a chaman that could
guide you into a safe practice using them. Taking some is therefore
not recommended for projection of consciousness, as you need to be
fully aware. Moreover, some might just think afterwards that it was
hallucinations due to the drugs, which would ruin the whole point of
the experience.
So let us start. From my own experience (it is always important to speak
by experience on this subject and not from books or theories, even more
as the point is to gain a first-hand knowledge of all this), there are
different levels of projection (the fact of putting your consciousness
out of the perception of the physical universe, into another form of
reality). From the lowest to the highest:
- dreams
- lucide dreams
- wake initiated lucid dreams
- full physical projection
- higher projections
Everyone knows dreams. Well in fact some people never remember their
dreams, but everyone can after only a few days of training (thinking
hard about the last image in mind just after waking up for example is a
good way to progressively remember full dreams). I won.t talk about it
here as everyone can achieve this state quite easily.
Lucid dream is a type of dream that not everyone has experienced, or
for some only a few times. It is dreaming and realizing that something
is wrong, and eventually that you are in a dream. It opens up a whole
new perspective to dreaming: have you ever thought of controlling the
whole universe? Well, with some training, you can in lucid dreams. It
is also a place to meet solidified parts of your psyche, your
subconscious. Characters become interfaces with deeper parts of your
mind. You can retrieve old of lost information or interact with your
own mind by creating psychic anchors through them. You are like inside
of you own mind, I mean . really . inside, the universe around you is
a symbolic materialized form of what you thought was so impalpable
in the waking state. You can go on the lowest levels of your mind
.programs. (i.e. your personality etc.) and modify them. Or you can just
create your own worlds, and enjoy the landscapes, the .people. you meet
(parts of you in fact, with sometimes what seems to be a real kind of
independent behaviour and own proto-mind). Something I am experimenting
with lately is fusioning with the strongest .people. (part of my psyche)
that I encounter. I just ask to fusion and our bodies melt into one. It
is a really amazing experience each time, and I gain a lot of knowledge
that I did not thought I had. It is like reunifying my mind little by
little. Well, the possibilities are almost limitless, so just think about
anything you would like to do, and you can! It is also a good place to
face blocages and fight them. The result in the physical life is real
if you win. Some have destroyed their OCD in this state, others have
gained enough willpower to stop drugs or take control of their lives etc.
Becoming lucid for the first time can be however some kind of a
challenge. Fortunately, many types of training have been developped. Here
are a few ones. I encourage you to google these for more information
and technics:
- Make your watch beep every x minutes. It can be quite annoying for other
people though. However, this beep will progressively be integrated by your
subconscious mind and will start to appear in your dreams after a week or
two. What you must do (in physical reality) is check out your surrounding
everytime your watch beeps. Do this seriously, it is really important to
get totally involved into this verification of reality. Try to remember
your whole day, and the past days, for chronological problems etc. Do
not think that you are in the physical reality but really imagine that
you might be dreaming. If you realize that there is a problem, well,
congratulations, you are doing a lucid dream now.
- Do some reality checks the same way when you see something strange, or
on the opposite (which might work better for some) when you do something
really basic, like washing your hands, or opening a door. Do it each time
for a few days or weeks, and very seriously (at least for one minute). You
will become lucid if you try this while dreaming after it becomes a habit
(as it will be integrated by the subconscious mind).
- Before you go to sleep, while laying down in your bed, feel the world
around you, feel that you are lucid, fully aware of yourself. Repeat a few
times .I WILL be lucid tonight, I WILL be lucide tonight .. while holding
the feeling of lucidity. Do this until you start sleeping if you want.
Once you become lucid in a dream, stay calm and enjoy. Repeat loudly
every five seconds (to prevent you from risking to lose your lucidity and
being caught back into a normal dream) that you are lucid, it will help
you stay in this state. You can try to fly to move more easily into your
created universe (lift your legs and even move your arms as if you were
swimming might help at first), but do not try harder stuff like going
through walls, teleporting or creating big objects from nothing before
you have enough experience to stabilize entirely your dream. Indeed the
mind does not like lucid dreaming at first and it will try to wake you up
(in this case, if you feel that the dream is losing consistency and the
image is disapearing, concentrate very hard on your five senses, touch
the ground, look closely to some details etc. This will help to get you
back into the dream but you might lose a lot of mental energy doing so so
repeat actively that you are lucid after that otherwise you might lose
your lucidity entirely), or to make you lose your lucidity (typically,
by catching you back into a scenario . a naked member of the opposite
sex (or same, depending of the sexual preferences) might appear, someone
will tell you that something has happened to your house, a giant dinosaur
might start chasing you etc., anything that would get you involved into
the dream will be used, so do not get caught and stay focused!
If you have imagination and willpower (which I am sure is the case),
you will see changes in your everyday life and personality in a matter
of weeks of practice. Your centers of interest might change, as well
as what you feel is important in life, so stay aware of your needs and
aspirations. However, this kind of dream initiated lucid dream is still
not as powerful as a .full. lucid dream.
What I mean by full lucid dream is a dream initiated from the waking
state. Ok, some might think that dreams can only be initiated from
this state, as we go to sleep etc. But do you ever remember the exact
instant when you enter your dream? And moreover, being fully aware
during the whole process? It is a really flabbergasting experience
the first few times. It is like being suddenly propelled into another
world. If you thought dreams appeared slowly, that is far from reality,
as the transition from your black mind vision to the full-colored and
3D dream takes no more than a second. You suddenly feel a new body,
into a whole new world surrounding you. The experience of a WILD
(Wake Initiated Lucid Dream) is extremely joyful and what one would
call .real.. Appart from what is happening (you are flying etc.) the
world seems as real and solid as the physical world would. But it is
more of an Alice in Wonderland thing going on. Doing a WILD is a bit
more tricky than a dream initiated lucid dream, but nothing impossible
to do fortunately. One technic that is very effective is visualizing
(=imagining and feeling) yourself walking into a known place (a mall,
a street in your neibourghood etc.) I think that it is important to
visualize some place you know (and not an imaginary one) as this will
stimulate your subconscious in a passive way: it is less demanding to
the mind to remember things than to create them. I will also prevent you
from daydreaming a scenario and eventually fall asleep without noticing
it. So just lay down, close your eyes, relax for a few minutes and start
visualizing without moving. It is important to really feel yourself in
that place. Do not stop whatever you feel or happens. The transition will
be really quick as I said. Once you suddenly find yourself propelled into
a dream environment, concentrate on stabilizing your lucidity but touching
things, watch closely whatever is near you etc. And then . Well, enjoy!
About enjoying, by the way, some might want to trigger sexual fantasies
in these states. Everything is possible here, remember, and all will
look as solid as it could. In fact sex is even better most of the times,
more intense. But climax will bring you back into the waking state,
and before that you may lose your lucidity as you will get too involved
into the scenario. There are much more interesting things to do while
lucid dreaming, but I understand that some want to try different things.
A higher type of projection has been mastered through times by a few
ones. Originally, it was used by chamans and sorcerers in traditional
societies to retrieve information on a member of the tribe or the village,
i.e. his illness, or discover hidden things. This technic is called by
some out-of-body experience, but I prefer the term physical projection.
Indeed, although real, lucid dreams stay mostly in a totally subjective
universe, there are you own creation. But the mind, our consciousness,
are not limited by the physical boundaries. Crazy? Well everyone thinks
that before he actually does it. What I am saying here is that it is
possible to be in the physical world while not inside your physical
body. How does it work? It is highly debated even amongst those who
practice this. However, it works, which is the important point here.
The easiest way to understand this is by trying it by yourself. One
technic that I developped early in my experimentations with the mind
was the physical projection initiated from a lucid dream. That.s right,
a projection of consciousness inside another projection. It is really
easy so even if you are a full-time skeptic, give it a try. Once you
become lucid in a dream, following the technics explained hereabove,
allow yourself to fall backwards without trying to catch oneself. This
will trigger very powerful sensations, so be prepared to the shock of your
life, really. Most of the times, this is what will happend: while falling
backwards, the image of your dream will disappear as if you were losing
consciousness in the physical world (it becomes black). A strong feeling
of being pulled down will appear and you will hear some very loud noises,
like if you were standing really closely next to an aircraft about to
take off. It can be quite frightening, but stay focused. You might see
some bright flashes of light, like being propelled at full speed inside
a tunnel formed by black clouds during a storm at night. Suddenly,
you will find yourself floating a few inches above your bed. You will
most likely feel very weird, and might not see your body, although if
you try to touch your hands you will feel them, but your body might be
invisible (or more precisely like the predator in the eponym movie). The
environment will be strange too: you room will be your physical room,
but something will feel different. In fact, you will be able to get
through every object, like a ghost mostly. However the environment will
also be very permeable to your thoughts, so if you concentrate to see
something it will appear until you stop to focus. You will feel very
different than in any dream, even lucid, and will be in full possession
of your memory. You should keep your first projection of this type short
however, in order to keep vivid memories from it. You will soon understand
first-hand the differences with dreams and how to act in this new state
of existence. However, be very careful with what you think or do, as
even if this type of projection is very stable (unlike a lucid dream),
you can soon be sucked back into a dream-like environment, or your body
(your might feel tingling sensations in your limbs at this point, and
have painful areas on your body, but don.t worry). So stay focused.
A test that many projectors like to do is putting a playing card on
top of a furniture without looking at it unless they are in a physical
projection, in order to check it later and confirm the projection. But
even without that, you will soon be amazed to observe that you can verify
a lot of what you see in this state. For example, this happened to me
a few years ago : it was early in the morning and my girlfriend left
the bedroom, to take a shower or eat her breakfast I thought. However I
was very tired and soon get back in a very deep relaxed state. I pushed
my consciousness frontwards and found myself hoavering above my body,
fully aware. I floated through the room, then through the door, the hall,
another door, and eventually was in the living room. I was surprised to
see that my girlfriend was sleeping in a f.tus position on one of the
sofas, in its left corner, her face against the back and my coat (which
I had left in the hall) as a blanket. I felt a powerful force sucking me
back inside my body at this point. I immediately checked what I have seen:
everything, down to the slightest detail, was correct. This kind of thing
has happened to me a lot since then. You do not have to be religious,
of even believe in life after death to make this experience, just try
it before you make your own judgement, but give it a try at least.
As you read in the experience I shared just above, I did not project
physically from within a lucid dream. Indeed you can project from
full conscious state too, which is even more powerful. If you want to
learn more about these technichs, I suggest you buy some books about
this subject, like the trilogy of Robert A. Monroe, a classic written
during 30 years of experimenting by an electrical ingenieur which found
himself projecting without even willing it. There are many good books out
there. However projecting from a fully aware state is much more difficult
(but feasable of course), so be prepared to spend some time in training
(usually a conscious projection can be attained in a few days for the
gifted to a few months for the ungifted, like I was).
It seems that there are higher states of projection, apparently in some
all-mental levels, but in an objective, all-mental, universe. I have
yet to get into these, but hopefully some of you will get there in a
few years. Let the community of projectors of consciousness know your
discoveries at this time, as it is all about sharing. Indeed, projecting
your consciousness is even more than a life-changing experience, it is
a matter of protecting your freedom, your freedom to exist as a mind and
a body, and to use both to their extreme limits, and even beyond. Noone
can take that from you, even locked into the smallest and deepest prison
of all. It is not even about believing, it is about trying by yourself
to push your limits out of the ordinary, out of the known into mostly
or fully unknown territories, and discover your true nature doing so.
See you in other levels of consciousness.
K.
Comments :
dr_Skeptic, on December 19th 2007 at 9:26 am :
I guess my point is...So you're having out-of-body experiences, are you? Have you seen a doctor about this?
Ballan, on December 18th 2007 at 4:57 pm :
@dr_Skeptic
It's been a while since I last read such funny posts.
I won't be quoting the sources :)
Anyone interested will find a way to seek them out.
You are just posting what's on your mind :)
And you are being quite off-topic - gradually with each next post :)
I can tell you've been asking yourself the same existential questions as most of us, but still you don't have a clear point.
Flying saucers, "10 commandments", high-school stories ...
If it wasn't for pseudo-science we would never had this conversation :)
What is pseudo-science?
Whatever the current science models can't accept or can't prove.
What you say is like stating that gravity didn't exist until the empirical laws were discovered :)
"Hack this!" --- Sorry, but that's lame .. . well, I'm not really sorry ...
I wished "to diffuse and confuse" :))) That's something new for me :)
Well, at least I'm not "controlled by religious and political oppression, ideological extremism, and the cultural suppression of diversity".
Ballan.
It's been a while since I last read such funny posts.
I won't be quoting the sources :)
Anyone interested will find a way to seek them out.
You are just posting what's on your mind :)
And you are being quite off-topic - gradually with each next post :)
I can tell you've been asking yourself the same existential questions as most of us, but still you don't have a clear point.
Flying saucers, "10 commandments", high-school stories ...
If it wasn't for pseudo-science we would never had this conversation :)
What is pseudo-science?
Whatever the current science models can't accept or can't prove.
What you say is like stating that gravity didn't exist until the empirical laws were discovered :)
"Hack this!" --- Sorry, but that's lame .. . well, I'm not really sorry ...
I wished "to diffuse and confuse" :))) That's something new for me :)
Well, at least I'm not "controlled by religious and political oppression, ideological extremism, and the cultural suppression of diversity".
Ballan.
Seaker, on December 18th 2007 at 1:55 pm :
@Dr_Skeptic
Can't you write your own comments?
Your comments are confusing, there is no clear statment!
If you would to tell something, do it with your own words and not with articles of 'scientists'...
Can't you write your own comments?
Your comments are confusing, there is no clear statment!
If you would to tell something, do it with your own words and not with articles of 'scientists'...
dr_Skeptic, on December 16th 2007 at 1:36 am :
Unnamed sources report that Ballan also Naively wrote:
"I read someone saying something about studying biology/physiology or whatever in order to understand projection and OBE."
Rumors Do Not Equal Reality
A classic fallacy of thinking is " I read somewhere that..." or "I heard from someone that..." Before long the rumor becomes reality as it is passed from person to person, usually by word of mouth, without the necessity of supportive evidence. Rumors, like "urban legends," may be right, of course, but they usually are not, even if they do make for great tales. What teenage boy did not tell his date on Lover's Lane the "true" story of the escaped maniac with a prosthetic hook who haunted that very parking spot, with the addendum that one couple, when they returned home, found a hook dangling from the passenger door handle? Or the "Vanishing Hitchhiker" story where a hitchhiking woman vanishes from the car in which she was picked up, whereupon the driver, who had lent her his jacket, discovers that she had died that same day the year before; he then discovers his jacket on her grave. (There are many modified version of these stories, but the core remains the same.)
At a dinner i once hosted for Stephen Jay Gould, The Caltech historian of science Dan Kevles related a sorry he suspected was apocryphal about two students who took a ski trip before their final exam but did not get back in time because the evening activities extended well into the night. They told their professor that they got a flat tire so he gave them the final the next day. Placing the students in separate rooms he asked them just two questions: (1) "For 5 points, what is the chemical formula for water?" (2) For 95 points, which tire? Both Gould and Carol Tavris, also at the dinner, suspected it was an urban legend because they had heard a vaguely similar story. The next day I repeated the story in high school. Urban legends spread far, wide, and fast. The following are examples of rumors, that, in fact, have no basis in truth:
-- The secret ingredient in Dr. Pepper is prune juice.
--A woman accidentally killed here poodle by drying it in a microwave oven.
--Paul McCartney died and was replaced by a look-alike.
--Gian alligators live in the seers of New York City.
--The moon landing was faked and filmed in a Hollywood studio.
--George Washington had wooden teeth (false teeth were made of ivory or walrus tusk).
--The number of stars inside the "p" on Playboy magazine's cover indicates how many times publisher Hugh Hefner had sex with the centerfold (it was actually just a distribution code).
--A flying saucer crashed in New Mexico and the bodies of the E.T.s are being kept by the Air force in a secret warehouse.
There are a thousand more like these that are titillating to consider but should not be taken seriously without confirming the evidence.
--From The 25 Fallacies of Thinking in Michael Shermers book "Why People Believe Weird Things"
"I read someone saying something about studying biology/physiology or whatever in order to understand projection and OBE."
Rumors Do Not Equal Reality
A classic fallacy of thinking is " I read somewhere that..." or "I heard from someone that..." Before long the rumor becomes reality as it is passed from person to person, usually by word of mouth, without the necessity of supportive evidence. Rumors, like "urban legends," may be right, of course, but they usually are not, even if they do make for great tales. What teenage boy did not tell his date on Lover's Lane the "true" story of the escaped maniac with a prosthetic hook who haunted that very parking spot, with the addendum that one couple, when they returned home, found a hook dangling from the passenger door handle? Or the "Vanishing Hitchhiker" story where a hitchhiking woman vanishes from the car in which she was picked up, whereupon the driver, who had lent her his jacket, discovers that she had died that same day the year before; he then discovers his jacket on her grave. (There are many modified version of these stories, but the core remains the same.)
At a dinner i once hosted for Stephen Jay Gould, The Caltech historian of science Dan Kevles related a sorry he suspected was apocryphal about two students who took a ski trip before their final exam but did not get back in time because the evening activities extended well into the night. They told their professor that they got a flat tire so he gave them the final the next day. Placing the students in separate rooms he asked them just two questions: (1) "For 5 points, what is the chemical formula for water?" (2) For 95 points, which tire? Both Gould and Carol Tavris, also at the dinner, suspected it was an urban legend because they had heard a vaguely similar story. The next day I repeated the story in high school. Urban legends spread far, wide, and fast. The following are examples of rumors, that, in fact, have no basis in truth:
-- The secret ingredient in Dr. Pepper is prune juice.
--A woman accidentally killed here poodle by drying it in a microwave oven.
--Paul McCartney died and was replaced by a look-alike.
--Gian alligators live in the seers of New York City.
--The moon landing was faked and filmed in a Hollywood studio.
--George Washington had wooden teeth (false teeth were made of ivory or walrus tusk).
--The number of stars inside the "p" on Playboy magazine's cover indicates how many times publisher Hugh Hefner had sex with the centerfold (it was actually just a distribution code).
--A flying saucer crashed in New Mexico and the bodies of the E.T.s are being kept by the Air force in a secret warehouse.
There are a thousand more like these that are titillating to consider but should not be taken seriously without confirming the evidence.
--From The 25 Fallacies of Thinking in Michael Shermers book "Why People Believe Weird Things"
dr_Skeptic, on December 15th 2007 at 10:12 pm :
Sagan's ten tools for Baloney Detection
In "The Demon Haunted World" Carl Sagan suggested some "tools for skeptical thinking." These include:
1. Whenever possible there must be independent confirmation of the "facts."
2. Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.
3. Arguments from authority carry little weight--"authorities" have made mistakes in the past. They will do so again in the future. Perhaps a better way to say it is that in science there are no authorities; at most, there are experts.
4. Spin more than one hypothesis. If there's something to be explained, think of all the different ways in which it 'could' be explained. Then think of tests by which you might systematically disprove each of the alternatives. What survives, the hypothesis that resists disproof in this Darwinian selection among "multiple working hypotheses, " has a much better chance of being the right answer than if you had simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.
5. Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it's yours. It's only a way station in the pursuit of knowledge. Ask yourself why you like the idea. Compare it fairly with the alternatives. See if you can find reasons for rejecting it. If you don't, others will.
6. Quantify. If whatever it is you're explaining has some measure, some numerical quantity attached to it, you'll be much better able to discriminate among competing hypotheses. What is vague and qualitative is open to many explanations. Of course there are truths to be sought in the many qualitative issues we are obliged to confront, but finding 'them' is more challenging.
7. If there's a chain of argument, 'every' link in the chain must work (including the premise)--not just most of them.
8. Occam's Razor. This convenient rule-of-thumb urges us when faced with two hypotheses that explain the data 'equally well' to choose the simpler.
9. Always ask whether the hypothesis can be, at least in principle, falsified. Propositions that are untestable, unfalsifiable are not worth much. Consider the grand idea that our Universe and everything in it is just an elementary particle--an electron, say--in a much bigger Cosmos. But if we can never acquire information from outside our Universe, is not the idea incapable of disproof? You must be able to check assertions out. Inveterate skeptics must be given the chance to follow your reasoning, to duplicate your experiments and see if they get the same result.
10. The reliance on carefully designed and controlled experiments is key. We will not learn much from mere contemplation. It is tempting to rest content with the first candidate explanation we can think of. One is much better than none. But what happens if we can invent several? How do we decide among them? We don't. We let experiment do it.
In "The Demon Haunted World" Carl Sagan suggested some "tools for skeptical thinking." These include:
1. Whenever possible there must be independent confirmation of the "facts."
2. Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.
3. Arguments from authority carry little weight--"authorities" have made mistakes in the past. They will do so again in the future. Perhaps a better way to say it is that in science there are no authorities; at most, there are experts.
4. Spin more than one hypothesis. If there's something to be explained, think of all the different ways in which it 'could' be explained. Then think of tests by which you might systematically disprove each of the alternatives. What survives, the hypothesis that resists disproof in this Darwinian selection among "multiple working hypotheses, " has a much better chance of being the right answer than if you had simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.
5. Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it's yours. It's only a way station in the pursuit of knowledge. Ask yourself why you like the idea. Compare it fairly with the alternatives. See if you can find reasons for rejecting it. If you don't, others will.
6. Quantify. If whatever it is you're explaining has some measure, some numerical quantity attached to it, you'll be much better able to discriminate among competing hypotheses. What is vague and qualitative is open to many explanations. Of course there are truths to be sought in the many qualitative issues we are obliged to confront, but finding 'them' is more challenging.
7. If there's a chain of argument, 'every' link in the chain must work (including the premise)--not just most of them.
8. Occam's Razor. This convenient rule-of-thumb urges us when faced with two hypotheses that explain the data 'equally well' to choose the simpler.
9. Always ask whether the hypothesis can be, at least in principle, falsified. Propositions that are untestable, unfalsifiable are not worth much. Consider the grand idea that our Universe and everything in it is just an elementary particle--an electron, say--in a much bigger Cosmos. But if we can never acquire information from outside our Universe, is not the idea incapable of disproof? You must be able to check assertions out. Inveterate skeptics must be given the chance to follow your reasoning, to duplicate your experiments and see if they get the same result.
10. The reliance on carefully designed and controlled experiments is key. We will not learn much from mere contemplation. It is tempting to rest content with the first candidate explanation we can think of. One is much better than none. But what happens if we can invent several? How do we decide among them? We don't. We let experiment do it.
dr_Skeptic, on December 15th 2007 at 8:19 pm :
Hack this Ballan!
In one of the most important books ever written on the philosophy of science, Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington made this observation in 'The Philosophy of Physical Science.' "For the truth of the conclusions of physical science, observation is the supreme Court of Appeal." It is that simple. Whenever there is a dispute we have merely to look and submit our conclusions to the Court. The decision will be obvious and indisputable.
Of course, if it were really that easy Eddington would not have had to write an entire book about it, covering all the problems scienists confront in the physical sciences, a relatively "pure" enterprise compared to the biological and social sciences.
The problem is that the Court is staffed by illogical, emotional, ego driven, culturally biased, and socially embedded observers. The observations never just speak for themselves. They are filtered through these fallible brains, and in the process thinking can and often does go wrong. And not just for those pseudoscienctists, paranormalists, and fringe-belief inhabitants whose claims skeptics often take such delight in skewering. The multi-faced fallacies of thingking, unfortunately, apply to everyone, even the most rigourous and careful of scientists and skeptics. Even skepticism, taken to the extreme, can be an inhibitor to creative and critacal thinking. Thus, it is a useful exercise for us to reexamine these various ways that our thinking can go wrong.
Baloney Detection:
https://s.p10.hostingprod.com/@www.n5naa.com/ssl/shermer/BaloneyDetection.pdf
More Baloney Detection:
https://s.p10.hostingprod.com/@www.n5naa.com/ssl/shermer/MoreBaloneyDetection.pdf
In one of the most important books ever written on the philosophy of science, Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington made this observation in 'The Philosophy of Physical Science.' "For the truth of the conclusions of physical science, observation is the supreme Court of Appeal." It is that simple. Whenever there is a dispute we have merely to look and submit our conclusions to the Court. The decision will be obvious and indisputable.
Of course, if it were really that easy Eddington would not have had to write an entire book about it, covering all the problems scienists confront in the physical sciences, a relatively "pure" enterprise compared to the biological and social sciences.
The problem is that the Court is staffed by illogical, emotional, ego driven, culturally biased, and socially embedded observers. The observations never just speak for themselves. They are filtered through these fallible brains, and in the process thinking can and often does go wrong. And not just for those pseudoscienctists, paranormalists, and fringe-belief inhabitants whose claims skeptics often take such delight in skewering. The multi-faced fallacies of thingking, unfortunately, apply to everyone, even the most rigourous and careful of scientists and skeptics. Even skepticism, taken to the extreme, can be an inhibitor to creative and critacal thinking. Thus, it is a useful exercise for us to reexamine these various ways that our thinking can go wrong.
Baloney Detection:
https://s.p10.hostingprod.com/@www.n5naa.com/ssl/shermer/BaloneyDetection.pdf
More Baloney Detection:
https://s.p10.hostingprod.com/@www.n5naa.com/ssl/shermer/MoreBaloneyDetection.pdf
dr_Skeptic, on December 15th 2007 at 7:46 pm :
Unnamed sources report that Ballan Naively wrote:
"If you read books on astral projection, meditation, zen or even yoga, you'll see that we're talking about the same thing just raised up to different levels and introduced in different ways/methods."
"I've been practicing astral projection for 3 years now.
The experiences are as real as real can get."
"With time you can learn how to make the brain "believe and see" whatever you want to..."
Exactly, although, I doubt you're using different ways/methods, and that's where all this is headed, pseudoscience, paranormal, and fringe-belief. My purpose here is not to distract or discourage the believers among you. But only to provide information. Information that the believer's may not nessesarily want disclosed. The believers may not agree with me and I may not nessasarily agree with the believers but the point is there are two sides to this discussion and that is what I am here to present. Take it or leave it, but I will always be around to monitor this discussion and to provide the scientifically proven facts. Despite all the comments that I should find another obsession or leave this board, I am here to protect the innocent. The believer's know these facts, they'd just prefer that you didn't.
I am not here to discourage anyone from practacing anything that is presented here. I myself practice meditation, have had lucid dreams and an OBE from time to time. The reality here is that people do have these sensations. But just because something "feels real" does not mean that it is. You should all know this if you have seen the movie "The Matrix."
I might add that 'Hacking Your Brain' would seem to be a useless adventure. What purpose could it serve? Why would you want to screw up your own brain? Hacking someone elses might prove to be useful, just ask the CIA or any other covert organisation but your own? Come on!?! I'm sure this was just a catchy phrase that Phrack devised to get you all interested, although, I'm not at all opposed to practising technics that might improve thinking and spiritual and psychological therapy. If that is what you mean by hacking your brain, then by all means go for it!
Despite what Ballan say's going to school does not prevent you from thinking on your own, it only provides you with a baseline. What you do after that is up to you. And as demonstrated by Bill Gates, you only need to go until you've gotten all the info you need. Why graduate? After all, where would we all be if it had not been for free thinkers such as Galileo Galilei, Johannes Kepler, Issac Newton, Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein? That's right, controlled by religious and political oppression, ideological extremism, and the cultural suppression of diversity. Follow in these mens footsteps not in those of Ballan who only wish to diffuse and to confuse.
And by the way, Ballan, what makes you think I'm not a hacker? Hack This!
"If you read books on astral projection, meditation, zen or even yoga, you'll see that we're talking about the same thing just raised up to different levels and introduced in different ways/methods."
"I've been practicing astral projection for 3 years now.
The experiences are as real as real can get."
"With time you can learn how to make the brain "believe and see" whatever you want to..."
Exactly, although, I doubt you're using different ways/methods, and that's where all this is headed, pseudoscience, paranormal, and fringe-belief. My purpose here is not to distract or discourage the believers among you. But only to provide information. Information that the believer's may not nessesarily want disclosed. The believers may not agree with me and I may not nessasarily agree with the believers but the point is there are two sides to this discussion and that is what I am here to present. Take it or leave it, but I will always be around to monitor this discussion and to provide the scientifically proven facts. Despite all the comments that I should find another obsession or leave this board, I am here to protect the innocent. The believer's know these facts, they'd just prefer that you didn't.
I am not here to discourage anyone from practacing anything that is presented here. I myself practice meditation, have had lucid dreams and an OBE from time to time. The reality here is that people do have these sensations. But just because something "feels real" does not mean that it is. You should all know this if you have seen the movie "The Matrix."
I might add that 'Hacking Your Brain' would seem to be a useless adventure. What purpose could it serve? Why would you want to screw up your own brain? Hacking someone elses might prove to be useful, just ask the CIA or any other covert organisation but your own? Come on!?! I'm sure this was just a catchy phrase that Phrack devised to get you all interested, although, I'm not at all opposed to practising technics that might improve thinking and spiritual and psychological therapy. If that is what you mean by hacking your brain, then by all means go for it!
Despite what Ballan say's going to school does not prevent you from thinking on your own, it only provides you with a baseline. What you do after that is up to you. And as demonstrated by Bill Gates, you only need to go until you've gotten all the info you need. Why graduate? After all, where would we all be if it had not been for free thinkers such as Galileo Galilei, Johannes Kepler, Issac Newton, Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein? That's right, controlled by religious and political oppression, ideological extremism, and the cultural suppression of diversity. Follow in these mens footsteps not in those of Ballan who only wish to diffuse and to confuse.
And by the way, Ballan, what makes you think I'm not a hacker? Hack This!
Ballan, on December 13th 2007 at 5:44 pm :
I read someone saying something about studying biology/physiology or whatever in order to understand projection and OBE.
What do you expect to be taught at school?!
Getting PhD!? Don't make me laugh, please!
It's like saying that just getting a degree or going to college (even more laughs) will make you smarter in any field!?
Have you recently read the Hacker Manifesto!?
We don't want to be fed by hand!
If you don't have the curiosity and the guts to explore and have your own opinion, then I believe you're reading the wrong forum.
If you read books on astral projection, meditation, zen or even yoga, you'll see that we're talking about the same thing just raised up to different levels and introduced in different ways/methods.
It's a cliche but I believe a true one that "there are many paths which lead to the same destination" which in the case would be enlightenment and higher conscience.
I know it's pointless to explain and/or argue with stubborn and ignorant people but when you call someone a "moron" through "quoting a friend" I wonder who's the moron then.
###
Oh, and one more thing ... don't you think it's damn ABSURD when people ask for evidence they wanna see !?
So you believe your eyes only?
And how about the rest of the senses?
Maybe aromas don't exist huh? You can't see it you know?!
Or how about light waves? We see what our eyes have evolved to be able to see in the red-violet specter. And the rest? Ahhh, let's ignore it, we don't care ...
How practical and "civilized" ...
Damn ...
What do you expect to be taught at school?!
Getting PhD!? Don't make me laugh, please!
It's like saying that just getting a degree or going to college (even more laughs) will make you smarter in any field!?
Have you recently read the Hacker Manifesto!?
We don't want to be fed by hand!
If you don't have the curiosity and the guts to explore and have your own opinion, then I believe you're reading the wrong forum.
If you read books on astral projection, meditation, zen or even yoga, you'll see that we're talking about the same thing just raised up to different levels and introduced in different ways/methods.
It's a cliche but I believe a true one that "there are many paths which lead to the same destination" which in the case would be enlightenment and higher conscience.
I know it's pointless to explain and/or argue with stubborn and ignorant people but when you call someone a "moron" through "quoting a friend" I wonder who's the moron then.
###
Oh, and one more thing ... don't you think it's damn ABSURD when people ask for evidence they wanna see !?
So you believe your eyes only?
And how about the rest of the senses?
Maybe aromas don't exist huh? You can't see it you know?!
Or how about light waves? We see what our eyes have evolved to be able to see in the red-violet specter. And the rest? Ahhh, let's ignore it, we don't care ...
How practical and "civilized" ...
Damn ...
Hex Machina, on December 10th 2007 at 11:04 am :
True, skeptic... that's why i haven't been around.XD
And don't take it so personally, just because I'm a little impulsive at times... sheesh..>_>
I'm just saying this is one big waste of time.
We have you and, like, 3 people on one side, and the others on the other, and you can all battle out the validity of OBEs and stuff, but in the end it's just your word against the others, why is kinda insufficient for a debate.
It's like debating the existence of god.
in the end it's just me saying "You can't prove he's there", and you saying "You can't prove he's not".
and besides, there's nothing to be cautious about - if you screw your brain, you're not really gonna mind it later, much like suicide.
And don't take it so personally, just because I'm a little impulsive at times... sheesh..>_>
I'm just saying this is one big waste of time.
We have you and, like, 3 people on one side, and the others on the other, and you can all battle out the validity of OBEs and stuff, but in the end it's just your word against the others, why is kinda insufficient for a debate.
It's like debating the existence of god.
in the end it's just me saying "You can't prove he's there", and you saying "You can't prove he's not".
and besides, there's nothing to be cautious about - if you screw your brain, you're not really gonna mind it later, much like suicide.
dr_Skeptic, on December 10th 2007 at 1:35 am :
@Hex: Why bother? You've already demonstrated, numerous times already, that you're not capable of Intelligent anything.
The Genetic fallacy: where one attacks the person rather than their arguments.
Emotive words are used to provoke emotion and obscure rationality. Similarly, metaphors and analogies can be powerful tools of language but they can also be misleading when they redirect thinking into emotions or down an irrelevant path.
What makes you think I'm protesting? All I've said is proceed with caution. At least I'm keeping to the topic here. What are you doing?
btw, I thought you didn't exist, Mr. Nihilist!
The Genetic fallacy: where one attacks the person rather than their arguments.
Emotive words are used to provoke emotion and obscure rationality. Similarly, metaphors and analogies can be powerful tools of language but they can also be misleading when they redirect thinking into emotions or down an irrelevant path.
What makes you think I'm protesting? All I've said is proceed with caution. At least I'm keeping to the topic here. What are you doing?
btw, I thought you didn't exist, Mr. Nihilist!
Hex Machina, on December 9th 2007 at 11:42 pm :
Oh, just to clear things up, I really like to argue, and have nothing against intelligent debate (/*And respecting OTHER peoples opinions*/), but enough is enough, and you know it.
Hex Machina, on December 9th 2007 at 11:40 pm :
Dr.Skeptic, you still around?
if you so badly protest this thing, why not leave this discussion, like so many of us do when it comes to religion?
i myself am so tired of explaining to those religious maniacs that an omnipresent cannot coexist with out world, that every time it comes to that topic i just say "fuck you guys, I'm going home" and leave it be.
Why do you have to be such a stupid ass?
oh, great, so you don't believe in it, whoopee.
I think we all got that already, so why don't you take your obsessed ass in one hand, and you oh-so-scientific methods in the other, and go masturbate in the shower or something...>_>
We can argue about it all we want, it won't change a thing.
And articles such as thins WILL be on phrack.
And people WILL claim to be able to travel outside their body.
And you CAN'T change a thing. EVER.
So get over it.
if you so badly protest this thing, why not leave this discussion, like so many of us do when it comes to religion?
i myself am so tired of explaining to those religious maniacs that an omnipresent cannot coexist with out world, that every time it comes to that topic i just say "fuck you guys, I'm going home" and leave it be.
Why do you have to be such a stupid ass?
oh, great, so you don't believe in it, whoopee.
I think we all got that already, so why don't you take your obsessed ass in one hand, and you oh-so-scientific methods in the other, and go masturbate in the shower or something...>_>
We can argue about it all we want, it won't change a thing.
And articles such as thins WILL be on phrack.
And people WILL claim to be able to travel outside their body.
And you CAN'T change a thing. EVER.
So get over it.
wUrdi_suGgesTor, on December 1th 2007 at 12:15 am :
Excellent article.Dreams are the doorways to the inner gate that is our mind.Once one learns to control their internal self, then they can learn to control their external self.This article definitely belongs here.If one can not control their mind, how can they control the machine or stop others from controlling it.Astral projection or, as used in this writing, physical projections can lead to a greater understanding of the multidimensional world that we exist in.Though I must concur with Dr. Skeptic in saying that you must be careful with your mind, you do not want to end up the wandering soul that got severed during an experiment.It should be taken seriously.Keep it simple until you have mastered self control.First learn to control your breathing, then move forward by learning to control your mind, for example....try to think of absolutely nothing for five entire minutes (i.e. meditation).For those having issues remembering their dreams, start a dream journal. Keep it next to your bed and get into the habit of writing down anything you remember, even if it is just a color you remember or a sound.After a period of time, it will become easier to remember the entire dream.Going back and analyzing your dreams can help you to gain a better understanding of yourself.Everything is always what it seems not to be.
dr_Skeptic, on November 30th 2007 at 9:09 pm :
If you won't take it from me then take it from a colleague of mine. Here is his comments after I told him of this board:
Take it from me, I study psychology and this board is full of --it on so many ways! A majority of dreams are about failures (i.e. couldn't lay the hot lady). Lucid dreaming is mostly day dreaming which can be fun. The average person only goes to REM which have been shown to be completely random bursts of neural activity also called paradoxical sleep because our muscles are completely relaxed and the parasympathetic system is very active. There is not a shred of evidence for rem control. If you could do this or learn it you might not ever come back. The sleep cycle is 90 minutes and goes in four stages with the last being around 10-20 minutes of rem which is believed to be necessary for regeneration of cells and to encode. All that being taken into consideration I think the podcast by Dr. David Brodbeck on Psychology at Algoma University is a good learning tool for such psychology topics.
Freud was a coke addict and dreams have nothing to do with the outer world but are only a way for the brain to maybe encode the information absorbed during the day.
That is my two cents. Tell these morons to get a life. Controlling dreams, preposterous!
James Allan Hobson's and Robert McCarley's activation synthesis theory proposes that dreams are caused by the random firing of neurons in the cerebral cortex during the REM period. According to the theory, the forebrain then creates a story in an attempt to reconcile and make sense of the nonsensical sensory information presented to it, hence the odd nature of many dreams. From Wikipedia.
Take it from me, I study psychology and this board is full of --it on so many ways! A majority of dreams are about failures (i.e. couldn't lay the hot lady). Lucid dreaming is mostly day dreaming which can be fun. The average person only goes to REM which have been shown to be completely random bursts of neural activity also called paradoxical sleep because our muscles are completely relaxed and the parasympathetic system is very active. There is not a shred of evidence for rem control. If you could do this or learn it you might not ever come back. The sleep cycle is 90 minutes and goes in four stages with the last being around 10-20 minutes of rem which is believed to be necessary for regeneration of cells and to encode. All that being taken into consideration I think the podcast by Dr. David Brodbeck on Psychology at Algoma University is a good learning tool for such psychology topics.
Freud was a coke addict and dreams have nothing to do with the outer world but are only a way for the brain to maybe encode the information absorbed during the day.
That is my two cents. Tell these morons to get a life. Controlling dreams, preposterous!
James Allan Hobson's and Robert McCarley's activation synthesis theory proposes that dreams are caused by the random firing of neurons in the cerebral cortex during the REM period. According to the theory, the forebrain then creates a story in an attempt to reconcile and make sense of the nonsensical sensory information presented to it, hence the odd nature of many dreams. From Wikipedia.
dr_Skeptic, on November 29th 2007 at 9:46 pm :
Whatever! It's your brain. Reminds me of the old joke, "If you had a brain, you'd take it out and play with it." Looks like that's what you guys are doin'!!! Ha, ha!
bleh, on November 29th 2007 at 1:10 am :
The only one who is whining atm is you !
If you are such an example to follow, why dont you write the next "hacking your brain" about a relevant topic ? If you dont have time, dont complain, and let people like keptune continue to feed this section.
If you are such an example to follow, why dont you write the next "hacking your brain" about a relevant topic ? If you dont have time, dont complain, and let people like keptune continue to feed this section.
dr_Skeptic, on November 28th 2007 at 10:27 pm :
Go ahead...make my day! Just remember, brain cells are the only cells in your body which do not regenerate. So if you screw it up, you won't get a second chance. I'm sure phrack has a lot more to talk about on the topic of hacking your brain than just OBEs and lucid dreaming, so experiment away! Just don't come whinning to your psychologist when they haul you away in a staight jacket!!! Ha, ha, ha! Better to learn to disipline your mind before experimenting with the exotic. Once you're out of control things can spiral downhill rather quickly. Good luck!
anonymous, on November 25th 2007 at 10:38 pm :
You cannot promulgate that people is too dumb for getting introduced to that topic. Serious readers will get more documentation before starting their experiments. None of what is indicated in that file is dangerous. The role of Phrack is to encourage curiosity. I think this article managed to do that. Thanks for publishing it.
dr_skeptic, on November 25th 2007 at 6:51 pm :
I agree with hmdhmd. If you truly want to experiment with your brain then go to college, get a PHd in neuropsychology or neurophysiolgy, become a doctor or scientist and hack away. At the very least study meditation and do as your instructor advises. Be aware that meditation instructors advise you to avoid ESP and Out of body experiences for good reason. You must first learn to control your mind, grasshopper. A good book to get started with is Meditation for Dummies. http://www.amazon.com/Meditation-Dummies-Book-Stephan-Bodian/dp/0471777749/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1196035906&sr=8-1
hmdhmd, on November 15th 2007 at 12:11 am :
hacking mind is not like hacking a computer, since you do not really know what you are messing with, and, unfortunately there is no reset button on you to push when your stack overflows. I am one of those who tried these kind of things with shrooms, and dudes I am sure this dreaming stuff and multiple levels of ..... is not more than playing with sleep patterns(in its low levels) which at highest levels would end up having multiple personality disorder. Do not mess with your mind, its not an Intel cpu.
vivekr, on November 10th 2007 at 9:06 am :
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https://mail.vsnlxchange.com/exchange
Username: vivekr@tataelxsi.co.in
Password: Tel123456
dr_Skeptic, on October 31th 2007 at 1:30 pm :
@somethingexcellent:
I don't need OBE and lucid dreaming to benefit from "spiritual (the kind that carries over) and psychological therapy". I get plenty of that from meditation. btw, carries over to what!?!
I don't need OBE and lucid dreaming to benefit from "spiritual (the kind that carries over) and psychological therapy". I get plenty of that from meditation. btw, carries over to what!?!
Dopey, on October 31th 2007 at 1:06 pm :
@Grouchy:
Been hearin' signals from beyond? Then it's a computer!
Been hearin' signals from beyond? Then it's a computer!
Grouchy, on October 28th 2007 at 9:53 pm :
How do we know that our brain is not a transducer or tranceiver, rather than a computer?
olee, on October 28th 2007 at 11:46 am :
OMFG PHRACK IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
n0rkl, on October 25th 2007 at 12:17 pm :
i am practicing lucid dreaming for 2 years now, having about 3 conscious dreams a week. it needs a lot of discipline, but it is an absolutly amazing experience every single time.
actually everyone is capable of such dreams, a book which helped me a lot to train lucid dreaming is:
http://www.amazon.com/Exploring-World-Dreaming-Stephen-Laberge/dp/034537410X/
gr33tz
actually everyone is capable of such dreams, a book which helped me a lot to train lucid dreaming is:
http://www.amazon.com/Exploring-World-Dreaming-Stephen-Laberge/dp/034537410X/
gr33tz
Ballan, on October 23th 2007 at 7:46 am :
I've been practicing astral projection for 3 years now.
The experiences are as real as real can get.
I could think up of many ways to test if projecting and OBE are "real" in the common sense of the word but that's not the point.
As the title puts it, to project is "to hack your brain/mind". With time you can learn how to make the brain "believe and see" whatever you want to, and a good start is creating/modelling your dreams.
I don't know if anything of that is "real" :) but I believe that keeping your mind open and developing/exploring new experiences is fun, rewarding and quite exciting ;)
The experiences are as real as real can get.
I could think up of many ways to test if projecting and OBE are "real" in the common sense of the word but that's not the point.
As the title puts it, to project is "to hack your brain/mind". With time you can learn how to make the brain "believe and see" whatever you want to, and a good start is creating/modelling your dreams.
I don't know if anything of that is "real" :) but I believe that keeping your mind open and developing/exploring new experiences is fun, rewarding and quite exciting ;)
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